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Posted: August 12, 2013 in Rus Mod

industrial regions Russia 1917So what?

 

THis map, and a few others, has reminded me RCW was fought with firearms, machineguns, guns, monitor and steam powered vessels, a few aircrafts, some armored cars and tanks…Even if RCW présents some traits belonging to very old forms of war, armies were yet modern armies, fighting with modern weapons, built in factories by workers, needing ammunitions delivered by skilled workers.

If requisitions are portraying in RUS the general plundering all factions used to equip their troops, industrial production was yet necessary  for getting all these modern weapons. Especially of course for Reds, as Whites lived from 1919 on the not so generous Allied deliveries ( and the greatest errors of Whites lies definitively in their economical incompetence that made impossible for them to restaure a sort of military production o the Russian soil).

 

FY doesn’t yet have portrayed this point. That’s why the next version will remove WSU from requisitions. These decisions will procure money, but WSU will be produced in some areas. Reds and Whites will then have to control these areas to get the needed WSU. Whites will get them by foreign deliveries, or by controlling these areas, to the condition they adopt a more sympathetic Policy than butchering 1,500 workers like they did around Perm when they take the city, Under the assumption workers were bolsheviks.

 

Areas will be mostly Donbass and Urals. There will be other spots, around Moscow and Petrograd, but insufficient by themselves to provide the necessary level. So the Red conquest of one of those areas will become mandatory for Bolsheviks after the first months. Indeed, during the first months, Reds will receive free WSU, representing Imperial Army stocks whose most were situated in Central Russia.

Comments
  1. Old Fenrir says:

    Hello, Clovis.

    The idea is right, but I’m afraid that the map gives the wrong impression about the location of military production. Ural and the Donets coal basin – most of the coal mining and steel production, yes. But, the largest part of military production and, first of all – the production of artillery pieces, was concentrated in Petrograd.

    Since WS is used in the forming of artillery, armored units and ship building, WS production means first of all, the production of artillery pieces and, possibly, armor.

    In the book “Artillery of Russian Army 1900-1917” by Barsukov E.Z. there is plenty of information on military production. Including the summary of volumes of production and repair of artillery pieces during the First World War at various plants in recalculation on the cost of producing a single 76-mm field gun.

    The picture is:

    Petrograd:
    State Petrograd Artillery factory – 13% (in 1918 – evacuated to Moscow)
    Obuhov factory – 16%
    Putilov factory – 40%

    Perm:
    Perm factory – 19,5%

    “Tzaritsyn group of military plants” – 10,5% (mainly Nizhny Novgorod + Petrograd and Kolomna).

    Arsenals in Bryansk and Kiev, mecanical plant in Bryansk – small amount (repair only).

    In the Tzaritsyn – powerful artillery factory under construction in high degree of readiness.

    As for production of armoured units: powerful locomotive, shipbuilding and mechanical plants in Petrograd, Nizhny Novgorod, Bryansk, Kolomna, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, Odessa, Nikolaiev.

    Small arms (descending):
    Tula
    Izhevsk
    Petrograd (Sestroretsk factory)

    Small arms ammunition (descending):
    Petrograd
    Lugansk
    Tula

    Artillery ammunition:
    Putilov factory ~ 25%
    Perm factory ~ 25%
    the rest were produced on the other aforementioned plants

    Gunpowder and explosives:
    Ohta plants (Petrograd region)
    Tambov
    Kazan
    Samara
    Shostka

    As for the supply of arms and ammunition during Civil War. К 1918

    By 1918, military production, thanks to the revolutionary chaos and anarchy in the country and the collapse of the transport and manufacturing, almost stopped. The population of large cities, including workers fled, who can, from famine to the countryside. Appropriately, the Bolsheviks had to revive military production almost from scratch, and they succeeded only partly. The great obstacle was the fact that the sources of fuel and raw materials for the industry of Center was located on the noncontrolled by Reds outskirts.

    During the Civil War, military production was a great help of the Red Army, but it was only a pale shadow of production during World War I.

    For example, during 1915-1916, was produced:
    artillery pieces – 7256
    shells – 40,5 million
    rifles – 2041000
    machine guns – 15323
    ammunition – 2500 million

    At the same time, during 1919-1920 was produced:
    artillery pieces – 721
    shells – 2 million
    rifles – 887000
    machine guns – 10715
    ammunition – 750 million

    During the war, the main sources of supply for the Reds were:
    1. Stocks of the old army.
    2. Trophies.
    3. Directly military production.

    For Whites:
    1. Trophies + in the North stocks in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk.
    2. From 1919 – supply from the Allies (in the North-West and Don – initially from the Germans) on credit or for cash or for raw materials and food. Purchasing on credit should have to stop in the spring of 1920 regardless of the success of Whites.

    Creation of military production from scratch even in the presence of equipment and sufficient numbers of qualified staff, required many months. Neither Red nor White during the war have not been able to do anything like that.

    Regards.

    • Clovis says:

      Very informative post.

      Your concerns are right, and I share them entirely. That’s why there will be 2 sorts of industrial regions, a point I wanted to develop in my next post:

      – simple production sites
      – coal production sites.

      The coal production sites will be mostly situated in Urals and Donets. Until mid 19, Reds will get all WSU from te simple production sites they control. This feature is based on the real situation, these sites working mostly from accumulated stocks and local resources. After mid 19, Reds will have to control at least a fraction of the coal sites ( to be determined) in order to keep both WSU and ammo production to their normal level. If not, the production willbe severely hurt.

      Whites will rely mostly on Foreign help. They will get the possibility to develop their own industrial production, IF they engage themselves in reform. Most Whites saw in any worker a Bolshevik and for this reason prefered to let industry in shambles rather than creating a alarger worker concentration they considered being definitively infected by socialism.

      BTW, your own mod presents some interesting ideas.

      • Clovis says:

        I’ve forgetten to add WSU production in my view is beyond artillery and tanks, rifles and dresses.
        WSU points will too represent not only new material, but use of the legacy stock of WW1. To be close to the reality, there should be a very low production and very large stocks at start, but I fear it would fool the AI, open the door to gamey tactics. Better to release part of these stocks each turn. After all, it could be rationalized as being the way to portray the difficulty to transport these asets from the depots to the units because of the ruin of the transportation network.

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